This is going nowhere good

April 22, 2009 at 10:30 am (By Maxwell James)

Without intimating a view on the ickiness of what Mr. Wolf had described, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. suggested that the law might treat different undergarments differently. ‘The issue here covers the brassiere as well,” he said, “which doesn’t seem as outlandish as the underpants.'”


  1. Icepick said,

    Savana Redding, had been subjected to a strip search in 2003 by school officials in Safford, Ariz. She was 13 and in eighth grade at the time.

    The officials were acting on a tip from another student and were looking for prescription-strength ibuprofen, a painkiller. They made Ms. Redding strip to her underwear, shake her bra and pull aside her panties. The officials, both female, found no pills.

    Oh, fantastic. They stripped searched a 13 year-old looking for ibuprofen? Heroin, crystal meth, THAT I can understand, even if I still have a problem with it. But ibuprofen? Why even bother trying to save this civilization?

  2. Icepick said,

    Also, this is why I quit paying attention several weeks ago, and will try to quit paying attention now, too.

  3. lfineaux said,

    But… it was PRESCRIPTION strength!!

    My neighbor was telling my husband recently about how her daughter-in-law’s addiction to acetaminophen was being treated with methadone.

  4. Icepick said,

    I’m not saying that people can’t get addicted to Rxed meds, but I’m not going to strip search a 13 yo WITHOUT her/his parents consent over ibuprofen.

  5. mileslascaux said,

    Given that a school district a few miles from here has had to fire four teachers/instructors in less than a year because they were caught in sexual shenanigans with students, I don’t want any school official to have the power to order a student to drop trou.

    If an aspirin is that much trouble, calll the cops in to do it right.

  6. Icepick said,

    If an aspirin is that much trouble, calll the cops in to do it right.

    That’s the heart of it, isn’t it? If there is a serious matter bring in the police, but members of schools absolutely should NOT have the authority to make students strip at their whim.

  7. Simon said,

    Here’s the difficulty that I have with requiring parental consent: although I know there are some very good parents out there, and that most parents are anywhere from good to damn near heroic, there are some parents who are just bloody awful. There are parents who not only fail to discourage drug use by their children, they seem to outright encourage it. What’s more, there are kids who have been arrested for dealing at my son’s middle school. The first duty of schools should be to keep their charges safe; I understand why good parents are horrified at the thought of their children being searched, but I am worried that the school may fail in its first duty if it insists on such consent.

    To my mind, it isn’t searches that are the problem, it’s the potential for abuse. So long as measures are adopted that prevent such problems, I’m not sure that I’m against this sort of thing.

    My view is also conditioned by skepticism about the claim that the girl must be traumatized because she needed counselling. Well, a girl I know through relatives who is in her early twenties recently threw a hissy fit over nothing of any consequence and declared that although she would get over it, she would need counselling. I really don’t put much stock in evaluating whether young people are actually damaged based on whether they feel the need for counselling.

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